July 12, 2011

What is the carbon tax?

At the centre of the government’s policy on climate change is pricing carbon. Many commentators and politicians have referred to this as a “carbon tax”. The idea is that polluters will pay per tonne of carbon they release into the atmosphere. This cost will initially be set at $23, and increase gradually until 2015, when we will shift to a trading scheme that will let the market set the cost. This is widely thought of as the most effective and least costly mechanism to reduce carbon output and reduce the level of climate change that is occurring. 

Right now, when you purchase a product that relies on carbon-intensive materials or manufacturing processes, the price you pay does not represent the cost incurred by the environment. The iron ore used to create the product could be sourced from the highest polluting mine in the world, the electricity used to power the manufacturing plant could be provided by the dirtiest coal mine in the world, and the trucks used to transport the product to its final destination in a supermarket could run on the dirtiest fuels in the world, and it would make no difference to the price. With a price on carbon, this equation would change. The amount of carbon pollution involved in producing a product would start to be factored into its final price. Products produced through dirty processes will become more expensive, thereby making it possible for other products produced through cleaner processes to compete on price.

Yes, that’s right. The price of certain goods that are reliant on carbon pollution for their production will go up. However, the majority of Australians will be compensated for this cost, and this cost will be relatively small for most items. Visit the household compensation calculator if you wish to find out where you stand once the price on carbon is introduced.

How will this drive a move towards a cleaner future you might wonder. Well, it’s not hard to see that if pollution-intensive processes make goods more expensive, companies will look to reduce their pollution footprint in order to lower their costs. That’s what businesses do – improve efficiency year on year. It’s one of the key drivers of growth. For this reason, it is actually not necessary for the consuming public to change their practices, although that would help drive you own costs down.

  • GJOESQ

    Yes, pricing the effects of CO2 pollution is NOT a tax at all!  In fact, over the past several years we HAVE been paying a tax to SUPPORT industry which is based on POLLUTING fossil fuels through Federal Government subsidies as much as $12 billion pa.  This fact is never mentioned by detractors of the Clean Energy Future policy. 

    In addition uncosted ‘externalities’ such as health and environmental damage emanating from fossil fuel use are also never openly discussed.  We are already paying for these through our taxes.  The Government’s Clean Energy Future policy aims to correct this by making polluters pay rather than we taxpayers.

  • R Dodgson

    If only they didnt call it a tax, then people wouldnt be up in arms about it all.

  • Julia Gillard

    this is bullshit

  • Election now!

    What a load of propaganda bullshit.

  • Jmcolombo

    So… Carbon Tax is introduced, prices of all goods and services go up, revenues from that tax will be given to Australians as incentives to compensate for the tax to be able to keep on buying goods and services, tax money goes back to the goods and services companies, companies keep on polluting as people will be able to keep on buying those goods and services… Honestly, the only thing that I get about all this is that prices are going to rise for nothing? Mmmmm, dodgy…

  • Anniebanannie

    This is horrible, i cant believe i voted for that dog julia fucktard. This is just another way for the damn government to make money! This is will not help climate change, that cant be stopped, thats even if its actually happening, the government is full of liers and scammers that will step over anyone, even their own country to get their own way and fill their greedy pockets some more! What is the point of even voting, theyre all idiots and none of them will ever do what is best for the country.

  • Brenton

    What a load of CROCK. Who is responsible for this inaccurate drivel?

  • Replytobrenton

    Brenton, which part is innacurate?

  • Darren

    Hmm. I love how facts (i.e reality) is bullshit. I suppose gravity is also wrong as well. 

  • Angry bitch

    This whole tax is based on lies from start to finish. what utter rubbish, Next thing they will be telling us is gravity doesn’t exist and birds fly backwards.

  • Blonde Creation Scientist

    There’s no such thing as gravity. It’s called Intelligent Falling.

  • Blonde Creation Scientist

    God did it.

  • Crez

    “What is the carbon tax?”
    It’s a start, not a particularly good one. But it’s a start.

    Also I am dreading the future considering it’s been this difficult just to put in an incentive for some cooperation’s to stop polluting.

    Whats it going to be like when they start putting in real policies to prevent and prepare for climate change.

  • ecirnek

    I can’t believe you think it’s smart to refer to our Prime Minister in such a way.

    … and “climate change cant (sic) be stopped” – do you have a source for that statement?

    … and “government is full of liers (sic) and scammers” etc., etc. “to get their own way and fill their greedy pockets some more”.  That’s helpful and contributes to the discussion!

    … and “theyre (sic) all idiots and none of them will do what is best for the country.”  Thank goodness it’s them and not you making the big decisions which are important for the country, and more importantly for our children and grandchildren.

  • GJOESQ

    In case some of the contributors to this discussion have forgotten the FACTS as I presented them as the first contributor, I’ll repeat them now:

    Yes, pricing the effects of CO2 pollution is NOT a tax at all!  In fact,
    over the past several years we HAVE been paying a tax to SUPPORT
    industry which is based on POLLUTING fossil fuels through Federal
    Government subsidies as much as $12 billion pa.  This fact is never
    mentioned by detractors of the Clean Energy Future policy. 

    In
    addition uncosted ‘externalities’ such as health and environmental
    damage emanating from fossil fuel use are also never openly discussed. 
    We are already paying for these through our taxes.  The Government’s
    Clean Energy Future policy aims to correct this by making polluters pay
    rather than we taxpayers.

    Now, for the next step.  Let’s work together to eliminate the extraction of the devastating coal seam gas.  There is NO PLACE for such a stupid, self destructive energy policy when Australian has enough 100% renewable resources to supply all of our energy needs FOREVER!!  We just need the political will and vision to get the ball rolling and get us off our dependancy on polluting fossil fuels!

  • Jeff

    I think the other outcome of the tax that you have not mentioned is that it will change the behavour of those organisations that pay the carbon tax. If one of them gains an advantage by reducing their carbon output and thus reducing their direct costs they will gain and advantage.

    This change in behavour is the real reason the carbon tax will work.

  • Think

    I think what everyone is forgetting is that your passing this earth onto your children, and all your going to leave them is a destroyed/destroying world that they wont be able to live on in a couple years time. Dont be so selfish and do it for your kids

  • Beno26

    Mate, if we have enough renewable energy to supply our needs forever, then why aren’t they supplying our needs right now? Why after 30 years and billions in investment why are these technologies still unable to provide cheap reliable base load energy? Even after our electricity prices have risen up to 30 per cent as a result of feedin tariffs for renewable energy.

    I hope you don’t cook with gas, or feel good about catching gas powered buses or use any

  • Tony342342

    No, this really is Bullshit, i mean why are we suffering when look at china and Japan the MAIN poluters.. what do they get? FUCK ALL?!

  • Taxed?

    That got a tax too?

  • Jonathanf

    The simple fact is issues of environmental significance shouldn’t be part of political debate. If action is neccesary then it is ridiculous to suggest that it be handled by individual countries and political parties. An effective soultion can only be achieved through international cooperation, not as part of a political agenda.

  • lols

    The government is whack!

  • tc

    Just wait till 2012 when the Kyoto Protocol commitments expire and every country is re-evaluated, China and India will become Annex II counties and have to fork out just like us. Think about poor Greece, Annex II with no money. Poor bastards.

  • Julia ‘Ranga’ Gillard

    Another Government Scam. Yes we are in a state of climate change? Because of our actions as humans? No. We may have had a small effect, but when you compare that to events such as a volcanic eruption, it is apparent our input is very minute. The Earth has gone through heat waves and ice ages, all without human intervention.

  • Rob

    Can anyone confirm if this tax is $23 per tonne of C or per tonne of CO2? There quite a large difference between the atomic mass of both CO2 and just Carbon alone, i have looked at a number of conflicting documents.
    Cheers Rob.

  • Award

    Since when has CO2 become the bugbear of society?  Carbon and Carbon Dioxide are not one and the same. If the government wants to  tax polluters it had better declare  to the people what polutants they are targeting and how they propose to clean this world up. Not just slap a blanket tax on all CO2 (both man made and Natural), they never seem to distinguish between the two.

  • David Erskine

    Excellent question, Rob, you beat me to it. Once a business has had its emissons of carbon dioxide calculated, does the carbon tax apply to tonnes of carbon dioxide or tonnes of carbon, the carbon being a bit under one third the weight of carbon dioxide. I assume a carbon tax means a tax on carbon alone, but it is not clear. 

  • Bubbles_kelli_1993

    Julia you are going to run this country into the ground!
    No longer the lucky country anymore , its bullshit..
    NEW PM SHOULD BE PAULINE HANSON :D she’d do a far better job running australia :)

  • Blackpoo

    Shits fucked.

  • Ben

    You also forgot, compensation means taking from the wealthy and giving it down the line so more people can buy more online from offshore and dump more carbon, while hurting wholesalers, retailers and manufacturers.

  • Ben

    I see what the government is trying to do, but stop with the massive pay rises and put it back into better energy means. Julia is worth $2 million and does not need more money. Also, investments in renewables have been increasing every year since 2005, i wish they kept increasing investments with in budget, because Australia is becoming less competitive and this tax will make us even less competitive. I get sick of people saying only the big polluters will pay, but everybody will pay. Wait until the other 900 companies are added to this tax and fuels. Julia said the tax will only add 3% to costs, is that with only the 500 companies, then add the next round. We all know we can not believe her. Labor, Liberal or Greens, non are getting my vote next election.

  • Anonymous

    Stop suppressing free energy technology that is CLEAN and FREE for ALL you pack of thieving dogs!

  • Anonymous

    Unless an equal tax is imposed everywhere, world wide, there is huge incentive for businesses to relocate to a location where there is no such absurd tax. 

    Nowhere did it state how much cooler the earth would be due to this destructive practice.  I wonder why.  Maybe because it would not be measurable?

    Australia is trying to commit economic suicide.

  • Anonymous

    Total nonsense.  China, India, US and Canada are ignoring the whole thing.  They won’t pay a dime. 

    No international organization is forcing Australia to do this. 

    Australia could shut down all sources tomorrow and no one would ever notice the change in CO2.  Sorry, but that’s a fact.

  • Anonymous

     It’s worse than that.  It will actually cost your government $billions to keep the population placated and buy votes.  A sorry state of affairs.

  • Truths Advocate

    There is and always will be support for both sides of this argument, however what I think needs more focus on is the political means by which this tax was introduced. Julia Gillard and the Labour party ran a large part of their campaign based on the fact they would not introduce this tax. The people being us the voters of this country then made an informed (or uniformed in some cases) vote based on the information we had at hand.
    The fact a number of peoples vote would have been based around the fact the Labour party and Julia would not introduce this tax shows a failing in our system and there should be methods put in place when a political part is voted into power based on lies. Regardless on peoples view around the Tax more focus needs to be put on how political parties run their campaigns to allow us the voters of this country to make a decision based on facts and not lies.

  • Jamesss _

    the carbon tax can help global warming :)

  • Jamesss _

    u go fadj01

  • Rock

    The ‘carbon tax’ is not economical suicide but the well
    overdue recognition that real costs of production (the destruction of our environment)
    need to be factored into prices.  And if
    you want to talk about costs for the economy, what about the increasing costs
    of natural disasters? Leaders all over the world (and not only in Australia)
    are recognising their responsibility to act. We can no longer ignore the
    destruction of our environment.  This old
    economy that you are trying to protect will be dead sooner or later as there
    will be no environment, no resources and no healthy humans left to run it.

    At some point even the most old-fashioned sceptic has to
    acknowledge that we need new solutions as the old ones are not sustainable and
    will ultimately lead to the collapse of society as we know it. Do you want
    Australia to be a leader in this new future or do you want to bury your head in
    the sand and wait for the day to come that our economy collapses as we can no
    longer hide and control the damage we are doing to our environment?

  • Anonymous

    I dispute the idea that CO2 is destroying the environment.  What evidence do you have?  Models are not evidence.  Please cite a natural disaster that has been attributed to CO2.  I don’t know of any.  The computers predict them, but as far as I know, none are evident. 

    According to the UAH satellite data, the global average temperature today is the same as in 1983. 

    Sea level is up only 5mm since 1993, and has not risen for 3 years.  It has been rising since at least the end of the little ice age until the current pause.

    Tornadoes in the US are no more powerful than normal.  They are counting more of them, but the number of severe tornadoes is down slightly.

    Ocean heat content is down slightly since launch of the ARGO buoys.

    As bad as the current droughts and floods are, they are not extraordinary by historical standards, and many of them are very localized due to small, freak weather events. 

    Eventually, yes, we will run low on fossil fuels, but that is many years away, and with improving extraction techniques, reserves are actually growing.  Nuclear power is the only reliable supply at the moment, other than fossil fuels.  Wind and solar are expensive and intermittent. In preparation for the end of fossil fuels, we should devote our efforts to R&D.  But building solar and wind farms when we know they are expensive, high maintenance, and not reliable does not make sense.

    If Australia stopped emitting CO2 tomorrow, we could save … 15 thousandths of one degree of warming (0.0154 °C) by 2050.  That’s if we stopped ALL fossil fuel burning. 

    Another way to look at it; the global cost would be $84,000,000,000,000 per degree, almost 6 times the GDP of the US.  Weather extremes far exceed any climate change anomalies at this time, so we need to spend money on preparations for normal floods, droughts, cyclones, etc. anyway.  Any additional for climate change would be incidental.

  • Alex

    I don’t see how having a racist bigot as the PM would make us better off?

  • Alex

    It is $23 per tonne of carbon dioxide equivalent. Not per tonne of carbon burnt as this is not relevant (as it is not entering the atmosphere and causing issues)

  • Alex

     Wrong and wrong. If you knew how to research, you would find an enourmous number of refereed journal articles disputing your theory.

    Look here, volcanoes only account for 0.3 gigatonnes of CO2 per year, compared to 26 gigatonnes from industry and 6 gigatonnes from land use.

    It’s not the absolute value that matters anyway, the point is that befre humans, CO2 emissions were in EQUILIBRIUM. Humans digging up and burning fossil fuels disrupts that equilibrium and causes problems.

  • Ashley Sc

    how will money change the climate 

  • Joanna

    To those people saying that Japan and China are big polluters, yes. But per capita, Australia is the biggest polluter in the world.

  • Alex

     *Facepalm* 500 businesses pollute currently. Then carbon tax comes in, making them pay for the pollution. The businesses will then try and reduce how much they’re taxed. They do this by reducing their emissions.

    Simple.

  • Tanya

    BUT WHY PUT A TAX ON IT IT DOES NOT MAKE SENCE WHATSOEVER YOU JUST DEMAND LESS CARBON  THATS  IT HOW DO YOU TAX BUSH FIRES WILL SHE THE RED HEAD GIVE SOME OFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF HER $90000.00 WAGE INCREASE LOL

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IPMZZY3YAQAN46HQV6CKFP5FBA Flecktarn Worldwide

    NO ONE in Australia who lives in the real world (sorry yes that excludes you hormone-battling university students who are the easiest to brainwash and the most vocal patsies of any demographic) supports the Carbon Tax. It is a HOAX. The planet is getting cooler not warmer. Australians are being sold a bill of goods based on a LIE and for which the instigators of this lie have a HIDDEN AGENDA. Do not be mistaken: Gillard is choosing to ignore reality for a reason. She is protecting her interests, her hidden agenda. Hint… look into the UK Royal Family. EVIL.

  • Tanyabaranyik

    but we all know SHE needs the EXTRA MONEY CMON SHE JUST HAD A WAGE INCREASE

  • Tanya

    yes the  should have said we need a Wage Increase and some more just for Ruining the country

  • Scott_iafs

    Just because they’re not doing it is not a good enough reason to do nothing ourselves.

  • Tanya

    but how will Money change anything???????? the Company  just pays and we the Public  give it back to them that’s all then we get it back some off it from the Government maybe the first Year and also how will the charge the Bush Fires and Australia has a lot and I believe that is the worst Carbon

  • Bubkiwi

    this is bullshit..propoganda..where EXACTLY does this money , which I refuse to pay as I don’t pay for bullshit, go? Who profits from these lies? I will not pay anything added to my power bill etc etc as i don’t believe these lies. We are fed these lies/bullshit about this so-called pollution causing climate change CRAP..Climate change has ALWAYS been part of the earth’s history..millions of years before, during and after man has inhabited the earth!! Don’t you love the way our people can be brainwashed by the money hungry idiots that run this world to pay out more and more for things that don’t exist…FOOLS

  • student

    where does the government say that 9 out of 10 house holds will receive a combination of tax cuts?

  • Akiko

     This is way out of the governments area that they are supposed to control. They just rose their own salaries and now they will get more. And then they will give the tax money to pensioners. stupid stupid

  • John

    Big Polluters get compensation too – it is aimed at keeping jobs in the polluting industries. 
    And our coal industry exports, including Brown Coal Exports to places like Vietnam are untaxed, and set to increase!.People claim the carbon tax is a start, that it is, but where will it finish?No major political body has policies to reduce our coal exports ( which pollute the atmosphere and are untaxed!).And as far as compensation goes, single, childless people are discriminated against!.Why not just incorporate compensation into the pricing of goods/services – similar to GST?  This Carbon Tax appears to be the start – the start of a wider wealth redistribution policy. 

  • John

    like ur mum

  • bychslapper

    get of the political party julia :) enjoy

  • Sam

    Bob Katter for pm. Stay away from those rangas! Bob has his shit sorted

  • Tanya

    I was watching Q and A on ABC and Bobby said its because ONE I MEAN ONLY ONE  Lady Scientist told Juli she should Charge for Carbon Tax I just  wish how much She got paid for it I know some one got Paid $25000.00 just for telling if youre Bricks a Painted there is not so much Damage if you Smoke

  • Nekminute

    my mums dead

  • Nekminute

    STRUTH!!

  • Nekminute

    UHHHHHH HUUUUUHHHHHH GUURRRLLLLL

  • Nekminute

    HMMM I TOO AGREE THAT ALL THIS CARBON TAX SHIT IS INFACT A LOAD OF NONSENSE..

  • Nekminute

    I WEAR CROCKS……THEY ROCK! FEELS LIKE IM WALKING ON SUNSHINE

  • Nekminute

    AMEN!

  • Nekminute

    GOD LOVE THAT PAULINE HANJOB

  • Nekminute

    HANSON*** SOZ FOR THE TYPO MATE

  • Nekminute

    YEAHH I NEVER LIKED THOSE RANGAS

  • Nekminute

    FUCKIN OATH

  • Sdak

    Not funny, mine actually is :/

  • Sdak

    me too! @ba1e98a2949c9a7314aeba04f0afda48:disqus try wearing socks with it, heaps comfortable!

  • Nekminute

    FUCKIN OATH

  • Nekminute

    YOUR ALL A BUNCH OF KEYBOARD HEROS. GOOD ON YOUZZ KEEP UP THE GOOD EFFORTS. TOGETHER WE WILL TAKE DOWN THE GILLARD! GOD HATE THAT RANGA BITCH

  • Sdak

    wanna chat in omegle?

  • Sdak

    No worries, just dont do it again!

  • Nekminute

    soz for the loss mate! shits fucked

  • Sdak

    fucking oath!

  • Nekminute

    are you faredinkum?? fuck yeah brahh

  • Sdak

    im faredinkum mate! F or M?

  • PrincessorDevil96

    im open for a chat

  • Nekminute

    ill be whatever you want me to be baby ;)

  • Nekminute

    back the fuck off bitch!! Sdak is mine! you fuck

  • Sdak

    BOTH?

  • PrincessorDevil96

    Mate piss off i want her or him ;)

  • Nekminute

    you fuckin get out of the political party bitch!

  • PrincessorDevil96

    darn rangas are ruining us

  • Nekminute

    FUCK OFFFFFFFFFF!!!!!!! DERO BITCH

  • Nekminute

    I LIKE A LITTLE VARIETY ;)

  • PrincessorDevil96

    man crocs da bomb. i got mine all badazzeled and shiz

  • Sdak

    oh yeah me too! i like to keep my options open ;)

  • Nekminute

    OH AND I THINK I CAN HELP YOU OUT WITH YOUR LITTLE DELEMA…. YOUR A FUCKING LITTLE DEVIL BITCH! NOT A PRINCESS!!!

  • PrincessorDevil96

    Mate im from bloody Kenthurst i aint no dero

  • Nekminute

    yeah…… your welcome mate

  • Nekminute

    im gonna fuckin hunt you down bitch!

  • Nekminute

    yeah braa!! fuck the rangassss!!

  • PrincessorDevil96

    Gingers have no souls. Nuff said

  • Sdak

    fuckin oath!

  • Nekminute

    truth?!?! hook a mate up bra!!

  • PrincessorDevil96

    thanks mate, glad to know i got support when we take them DOWN!!

  • Nekminute

    AMENNNNNNNNNN

  • It’s a con job

    Anyone who thinks that this tax will make one iota of difference to the total of man made greenhouse gases in the world is tripping.
    Even if Australia cut it’s emmissions to zero on a Monday , by the following Wednesday the total World emissions would be higher than before Australia made the cut.
    Sure some people would feel good in some warm fuzzy way and think all is solved but nothing would have changed worldwide…China and India would still be consuming ever increasing amounts of coal, America and Britain would still be engaging in wars to maintain their interests in oil rich areas of the world and the average person would be as uninformed as they are now.
    This tax will do nothing to change the use of fossil fuels worldwide…it is nothing more than a conjurers illusion…the only things that will decrease will be the $ in your pocket and consumer confidence.
    The financial system underpinning Western society is a pyramid scheme and as such it demands continual and ever increasing rate of growth…that growth requires the use of resources and energy at prices that enable people to be able to afford an ever increasing consumption of products and services.
    Population growth helps increase consumption but there will be a time when the resources and energy will become too expensive to extract or create causing products and services to be too expensive for too many people…then the whole system will collapse just as the Roman Empire and all previous civilizations have collapsed in the past.
    This tax will do nothing to address that…worse than that it has totally overshadowed any previous attempts at developing a vision for the future.
    Do we have any future vision from our Governments ??..NO we don’t..we never have had ..we can’t see past the next elections or our next purchases so we stumble blindly into the future with the only entities having any vision of the future, and thereby shaping it, being Big Business.

  • Nekminute

    couldnt agree more mate! keep up the good effort! youz guys are doing a fardinkum job commenting on carbon tax websites. really noticing a big difference with the guilLARD

  • Nekminute

    don’t let Julia fool ya……thats all i have to say

  • http://twitter.com/Atheovia Athe Lulu Xzsu

    I’d like to point out that the average carbon output of a Chinese person is four tonnes/year whilst an average Australian’s carbon output is 19 tonnes. This is not also mentioning that China manufactures most of our consumer goods. Most of their production is for export, which means the people benefiting most from the pollution in China are the people buying China manufactured goods all around the world, like you and me.

    About a billion people in China live in poverty. Do you want them to pay for the carbon it takes to manufacture your microwave oven too? smh people these days……. =____=;

  • Lololol

    poopy mcpoopington like poop icecream with his poop

  • JKS

    So roughly 1/3 of the carbon we produce in Australia is created by our cars and yet petrol is EXCLUDED from the carbon tax (that would be really unpopular with the voters after all) so how effective can this wealth redistribution scheme be FFS??? All you supporters out there need to face the fact that If the whole pont is to change peoples behaviour then compensating them for the price increases and excluding the single largest source of pollution (cars) from the scheme the impact of it’s introduction is going to be seriously limited.

  • JKS

     I’m not a global warming sceptic BTW, just a carbon tax sceptic

  • settledowngillard

    thanks for the bonus gillard but do we need the tax to get a bonus (propoganda)

  • Kirsten01

    you are a nincompoop julia

  • Kirsten01

    speak for yourself

  • Kirsten01

    soz but you are

  • Kirsten01

    when

  • PM Allison

    You must be one of the deadshits that want to destroy what is left of the planet after the foreign multi-nationals have taken what’s left. Go to hell you fuckwit.

  • PM Allison

    This greatest country is the biggest polluter per head of population because we have been so complacent and believed the bullshit propagated by the foreign multi-nationals. Get real you fool. Look at this country with its Murray-Darling incompetence, the salinity of soils, decimation of wildlife, destruction of forests, depletion of fish-stocks, destruction of indigenous culture, over-population of bogans such as yourself. Wake up. You probably listen to that homo-sexual deviant shock-jock-crock on crap-trap radio. 

  • PM Allison

    Get real you fool. China is leading the world in renewable energy development. We could have done this if it wasn’t for the complacent attitude of idiots like you. We used to ride on the sheep’s back so to speak, according to the mining industry we now ride in the back of a dump truck.

  • PM Allisin

    I guess idiots like yourself have a better plan, consume more, dump it in landfill, eat shit and believe in a non-existent diety.

  • PM Allison

    Maybe you have been paying to little for the crap you buy every day just to keep white trash like yourself in existence. Get real you sucker for multi-national propagander, you listener of homo-sexual deviant radio shock-jock comment for those who don’t have the intelligence to have a valid opinion.  

  • Pm Allison

    Wake up you moron. You obviously have no idea about reality, judging by your inability to spell and develop syntax. The best thing this country has ever done is incorporate a carbon tax, install insulation, install photo-voltaic cells on roofs, tax the mining of OUR resources before they return as greenhouse gas and landfill. Have you ever noticed how fat and ugly the mining magnates of this country really are? They obviously consume more than they really deserve. 

  • PM Allison

    Yeah, like you would know anything intelligent about anything anyway. You sound like you listen to that homo-sexual shock-jock moron from commercial radio who provides those without any opinion with one of his own. 

  • Anonymous

    What is it about you people that compels you to call people fool or other names?  Does it send a chill up your leg?
    China needs lots of energy, and is building coal fired power plants at a rapid pace, along with nuclear and some wind and solar.  Wind and solar are far more expensive, and need a coal or nuclear or hydro plant as a backup.  How is leading the world in development of a power source that is 6 to 12 times as expensive, relies on subsidies, and that is less reliable a good plan?  Solar and wind are not ready yet.  Spend on research.  We are building power systems that are as technically advanced as a Model T.  Lets wait until the technology is appropriate.  The entire solar and wind infrastructure will be obsolete and probably defunct in 5 to 10 years.

  • Anonymous

     Your diatribes look like a computer generated hate rant.  No logic, no sense, no justification, and no point.  Get a life.

  • PM Allison

    No Charlie, I done wrote it all by myself. Maybe there is no logic to the diatribe you describe if you are a genuine contributor. I appologize one thousand times over if I have offended your sensibilities. Then I take it all back when I realize the sea levels are rising by 200mm in the past century, I have seen this in the retreat of the coastline on the east coast of Australia. I have witnessed the destruction of forests all over this country for the past 60 years to keep meat-heads in employment, I have seen the reduction of the fishing fleet by one third to cope with the depletion of fish stocks due to over fishing, I have seen the decline of the dairy industry due to mismanagement and chemical contamination of our precious soils, I have seen salination of agricultural soils due to chemical contamination and ineptitude.
    I have seen the decimation of our wildlife to serously dangerous levels by rampant development. The koala is now on the endangered list as has been the Great Barrier Reef, the Tasmanian Devil, the rock wallaby, the wombat, the quoll, the shark, but do you poeple care as long as you have access to booze, gambling and football where you can yell your heart out without anyone taking notice.
    I also guess you believe in a non-existent diety who promises eternal salvation for believing in bullshit.
    Get real or get out of town. The carbon tax is a minimal effort to curtail the consumer excesses of the 20th century. We have turned the bounty of the planet into greenhouse gas and landfill. We are now paying the price for this corporate driven folly. The money will go towards changing the complacent attitudes of dorks like yourself who want more of the same.
    I would like to make a difference which will enable a sustainable future, not the generation of intractible waste which represents the mentality of your ilk.

  • PM Allison

    Sounds like you are a lackey for that failed catholic priest; tony abbott. Wake up you fool to bullshit. The economy we have is in terminal decline due to waste, greed and stupidity. Believe in bullshit and all you get in return is the same.

  • PM Allison

    Sounds like you are a lackey for that failed catholic priest; tony abbott. What does the F in your name refer to? Is it Fucknuckle, fuckwit, fuckall or fuckinnothing?

  • PM Allison

    What fucking god are you talking about? The one that promises eternal salvation for believing in bullshit. The same one who required its only begotten son be tortured and executed in order to feel better about the pathetic human race?

  • PM Allison

    I look forward to the immanent collapse. This will curtail development, the ability for the greedy to get even richer, a chance for wildlife to replenish and the death of bogans who will end up replenishing our depleted soils with their decaying bodies. .

  • RS2000

    I have a question; If local large manufacturers such as Ford and Holden have to pay tax on the carbon they produce, thus increasing the cost of a new car, and imported cars don’t have to pay the tax, then how will local manufacturers such as Ford and Holden that employ thousands of workers survive with the carbon tax?

    And, no one could agree on a solution at the G20 summit and yet we are the only country with a price on carbon. Australia is a relative middle player in the global economy, our policies won’t inspire others to follow.

  • RS2000

    Carbon polluting wasn’t around to cause the ice age, so does that mean that climate change is inevitable? – regardless if it is man made or naturally occuring?

    States with rapid developing economies such as Brazil, China and India, who are also the biggest polluters, what are they doing about their carbon polluting? The answer; nothing, as it impedes too much on their growth.

  • RS2000

    The carbon tax is a Greens based policy who are a minority in this country. Why is our government satisfying a minority of the Australian population??

  • RS2000

    What is to stop businesses and jobs going offshore to countries that don’t have a price on carbon?

    How many of the supporters of the carbon tax drive don’t drive cars? Or even have electric cars?

  • Avery

    Call it a tax, levy, donation to help save the environment. You can call it Dame Edna if you wish but it is still a payment being forced upon the Australian people by the Government of those people after being promised by Gillard that she would not impose a Carbon . I am looking at having around $800 increases in annual expenditure with around $10 “compensation”. And with solar power, solar water and grey water systems in place, I’m not sure how much “greener” I could get.

    As for the Big 500 polluters, they are NOT charities and will not sit on their hands and not pass on the costs. You can be absolutely certain that each and every one of them will hike prices.

    To paraphrase something said about WW1 soldiers, Australia is a country of lions led by donkeys

  • Avery

    That the average Chinese puts out 4 tonnes compared to the average Australian putting out 19 tonnes of carbon per year, there are 1.6 BILLION of them compared to our paltry 22 million

  • PM Allison

    I figure the crux of the matter is the words “cheap energy”. Anything cheap ultimately provides nothing more than disappointment with the results.
    We in Australia have been lazy and thoughtless when it comes to generating energy. We chose the cheapest option in the burning of coal and as a consequence we are the biggest polluters per head of population.
    Governments are driven by corporate pressure. Corporates are only interested in profit, not you, me, the environment or the future.
    While corporates can influence us with their incessant advertising, control of resources, hold over governments and manipulation of the facts, we will never see any real sense or purpose.
    Renewable energy is already available in the form of wind, tidal, geothermal, bio-gas, bio-mass, photo-voltaic and waste conversion. It’s not hard to generate power with any of these alternatives. I have done so myself with wind turbines, the biological conversion of organic wastes into fuelgas and sustainable fertilizers, reduced wood-waste into syn-gas and activated carbon, it’s easy, I have done all this in my back yard.
    We need to get beyond the moronic mentality needed by the corporates for us to be captured by their lies and deception.
    The secret lies in the ability to be happy with less.
    Consumerism does not want you to be aware.
    Become aware, source a solution beyond the crap offered and accept the reality of the planet being capable of fulfilling everyone’s need, not their greed.    

  • PM Allison

    Remember the “pea-souper” fogs of Britain in the 50s and 60s due to coal burning, the acid rain of the 70s due to high sulfur coal burning and the ozone hole generated by CFC use. We were affecting the planet with thoughtless use of materials. The Europeans had the sense to change their practices and as a result the fogs retreated, the rain improved and the ozone hole is slowly repairing. Wake up to reality rather than the rants of shock-jock radio jerks who tell you what they are paid to do. They make millions, you never will.  

  • yems

    NO OFFENSE TANYA, but you’re obviously more than a little mentally deficient.

    I for one am AGAINST the Tax due to my various business interests in Australia. But as a father and soon to be grandfather I do see the reasoning behind the tax.First and foremost people must understand that bigger countries like China and India have populations exponentially larger than that of Australia. Therefore it is slightly retarded to compare the energy consumption of Australians to that of countries with populations in excess of a billion.For the extra stupid amongst you: Australia = 21m.China = 1,200m. Please note the vast difference.This is not to say that China and India are doing well, pollution leads to health issues, reduced tourism, reduced wildlife and you can predict countries in the future will factor in world environmental pollution into their trade agreements. In this way Australia can be a first mover, world leader. As the article clearly states, increasing the price of pollution means companies will endeavour to develop new and innovative ways of producing energy as they now have an incentive. The benefit will be enjoyed by your grand children when it comes to the future environment. As well as this you can expect the development of new industries promoting energy innovation. This means more jobs growth.You would also hope this would lead to Australia being promoted as a leader in energy efficiency worldwide, leading to greater competitiveness and long term benefits for economic growth when competing on a global scale.And finally, the tax income received from the initiative coming from the greatest polluters, would be used by the Government to prepare for the incoming challenges of the ageing Australian population. In the shorter term I’m sure it would be used to push various domestic initiatives to support families, growth sectors of the economy to promote benefits Australia wide.   I’m hoping some of the tax income is used to promote education so that we can be a leader in the Asia-Pacific region. Offsetting our small population by enhancing our potential to become the most advanced and innovative economy in the region and worldwide. I do feel that the gullible nature of Australians in falling for fear and manic induced by millionaires such as myself, only reinforces the perception of Australia as a backwards convict nation.

  • yems

    NO OFFENSE TANYA, but you’re obviously more than a little mentally deficient.
    I for one am AGAINST the Tax due to my various business interests in Australia. But as a father and soon to be grandfather I do see the reasoning behind the tax. 

    First and foremost people must understand that bigger countries like China and India have populations exponentially larger than that of Australia. Therefore it is slightly retarded to compare the energy consumption of Australians to that of countries with populations in excess of a billion. For the extra stupid amongst you: Australia = 21m.China = 1,200m. Please note the vast difference.This is not to say that China and India are doing well, pollution leads to health issues, reduced tourism, reduced wildlife and you can predict countries in the future will factor in world environmental pollution into their trade agreements. In this way Australia can be a first mover, world leader. 

    As the article clearly states, increasing the price of pollution means companies will endeavour to develop new and innovative ways of producing energy as they now have an incentive. The benefit will be enjoyed by your grand children when it comes to the future environment. As well as this you can expect the development of new industries promoting energy innovation. This means more jobs growth.You would also hope this would lead to Australia being promoted as a leader in energy efficiency worldwide, leading to greater competitiveness and long term benefits for economic growth when competing on a global scale.

    And finally, the tax income received from the initiative coming from the greatest polluters, would be used by the Government to prepare for the incoming challenges of the ageing Australian population. In the shorter term I’m sure it would be used to push various domestic initiatives to support families, growth sectors of the economy to promote benefits Australia wide.   I’m hoping some of the tax income is used to promote education so that we can be a leader in the Asia-Pacific region. Offsetting our small population by enhancing our potential to become the most advanced and innovative economy in the region and worldwide.

     I do feel that the gullible nature of Australians in falling for fear and manic induced by millionaires such as myself, only reinforces the perception of Australia as a backwards convict nation.

  • Cherryhills

    What a load of crap! Just a convoluted way of re-distributing wealth ….just goes to prove my theory that in general people are becoming more stupid and this is a bigger worry than climate change. Do any of you really think that climate hasn’t changed since time began?? Does anyone really think  that anything Australia does will make a scrap of difference to the planet…come on …engage your brains people. 

  • restarded pm allison supporter

    hear hear! lol

  • Mott

    Yems your the mentally deficient one. 

    If any government in the world wants to reduce carbon the best way to it is to pass laws requiring companies in various industry to reduce the amount of carbon they use.

    Government’s should also be putting tariffs on products that come in from countries like India and China that don’t have good environmental laws like us.

    Don’t buy into this government propaganda about carbon taxes and carbon trading. 

  • Pdiddyz

    CO2 Pollution is not the cause of rising sea levels. The Ice has been melting since the ice age and sea levels have been rising for the same period of time. So the whole concept of a carbon tax is based on a liar.
    Is the ice packs on the planet melting?, of course they are. As the ice fields become smaller the melt accelerates just as if you put a cube of ice in a cup of water, as the cube becomes smaller the melt accelerates. NO carbon tax is going to fix this problem, its nature taking its course.
    Whats more disturding is how these well educated scientist believe CO2 is creating and accelerating this process. OMG, what planet did these people come from. The things they would say to get there picture on the cover of the National Geographic.
    The real disaster is what this tax is going to do to families that are struggling with every day costs. This tax has just moved the goal post for famalies whome are financially living on the tipping point.
    Well, all I can say is, this Government has turned Australia into a country that can no longer pride itself on prosperity.

  • MrED

    have you heard of terrestrial radiation? if you don’t believe 99.9% of the scientific commmunity then you most be either smarter than they are or a complete moron. There is no doubt the earth heats and cools without CO2, what we are concerned about is at what rate. Have a look at the facts you idiot

  • Guest

    Thank you, I have faith not all Australians are morons like PDiddyZ

  • Guest

    They didn’t, right wing media did. And the population don’t do their research! But your right

  • Eddster5

    Spot on

  • Guest

    We will pay for carbon one way or another, who would you rather have the money: Aussies or Europeans

  • Guest

    go back to your cave

  • Wow

    *You’re

  • Belindadvs

    $23! Are you serious? That’s like four happy meals! I certainly couldn’t fill up my Ford Territory with premium for that but this once off payment of $23  will certainly impact my quality of life. My only hope is that there will be some sort of lump sum compensation so I can buy a plasma.

  • Rodney

    Is “carbon tax” tax deductable?

  • Nathan

    Wind is not more expensive than coal or nuclear, its about on par, wind power is ready. Solar energy can be stored and wind power on well connected grid mimises greatly the need for back up.

    China currently has the largest installed capacity in the world of wind energy. (Although to be fair it accounts for a small amount of the countrys energy use.) For more infomation check the Gobal Wind Energy Council reports.
    Data form the US dept of Energy etc

    Get your facts straight,

  • Ange

    I don’t know who you are Yems, but you have laid the whole thing out there beautifully. Disregard the Nay sayers, they come from a selfish point of view. Love and appreciate everything you have said. 

  • A free thinking citizen

    OK so let me get this straight, we will be taxed and compensated at the same time – why? this to me is a bit weird to understand, why tax us if you are going to compensate us for taxing us in the first place?

    Not only that but Carbon is food for trees, plants and everything else that’s green, even as a child I learned that trees use carbon as food and release oxygen, so why then do we not just plant more trees? It makes sense to me because 1 – we can stop deforestation, plant more trees, protect the newly planted and existing trees and forests and only cut down trees if new trees are going to be planted to replace them..? More trees = less carbon + more oxygen. 

    This website is pure propaganda. This planet went through such disasters that saw periods in time when no sun light could penetrate the atmosphere due to volcanic eruptions or asteroids smashing into the Earth, it survived everything it threw at itself and suddenly a couple hundred years of fossil fuel consumption is going to destroy everything.. really? How about we stop bombing other countries and stop weapons production and devote the energy that goes into warfare and empire to planting trees and using solar energy not because we are forced to by a tax – but through education?

    It seems to me that there is a hidden agenda here.

    - A free thinking citizen

  • Joey

    WOW. You…you…Free thinking citizen…you do understand how the dinosaurs died right?

    Education…you argue for education when probably 70% of the people who are against the tax DONT REALLY BLIEVE IN CLIMATE CHANGE

  • Fuckthegovernment

    fuck the government, K!LLUminAT! free tupac niqqas

  • Anal Invader

    i love the carbon tax

  • Shock-jock-crock

    The Carbon Tax will help our economy the environment is a waste of paste

  • Shock-jock-crock

    I second this my anal overlord

  • Anal Invader

    Ill rupture your anus with my massive bear cock!

  • Shock-jock-crock

    Watch out Mostyn obviously has a thing for black guys prepare for intense probing

  • Anal Invader

    Look Shock-Jock-Crock… i dont know who the fuck you are, but i am on the verge of exploding in my pants and would really enjoy a tight anus atm… please help

  • Shock-jock-crock

    My liege I am ready to be abducted

  • Anal Invader

    ass ass ass ass ass, who would take julia gillard right up the bum hole?????

  • MrsStinsfire

    I promise I’ll swallow

  • Ned143

    Please sto the potty mouth the Carbon Tax is a serious issue and our poopoo mouth government are ruining the country

  • I take it deep

    Guys this is a serious, economical issue that were facing! if anyone is going to be doing the swallowing itll be me!

  • CuM-iN-My-Sphinctor

    Myyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy milkshake brings all the boys to the yardddd and theyre like, do you wanna trade carrrdssss and im like, yeah bitch do you have charrzardddddd

  • Ned143

    If u want to be my lover u gotta get with my friends to make this last 4ever then friendship never ends

  • FrenchPussy

    I tell u what I want, your dick Ned

  • Rimmy2980432098

    smack that, get on the flooor, smack that, give me somemore, smack that, till you get sore, smack that ooohhooohhhh
    ENCORE

  • fannymagnet

    I’ll have a slice of that french pussy. mmm

  • FrenchPussy

    Mr Sphinctor your a naughty naughty boy I want u so bad I’ll hunt u down and defile your corpse

  • Rimmy2980432098

    Sorry i only like hairy Kazahkstani “ill bite your dick off” weightlifting women

  • Rimmy2980432098

    Come at me CUNT

  • Mrs-Stinsfire

    Honey I’m horny

  • Rimmy2980432098

    I willshit in your mouth and you willnot enjoy that

  • ring wrecker

    fuck me cum in my sphinctor i’ll deliver so hard your intestineswill be on the floor

  • Rimmy2980432098

    You single Tanya? The way you talk about money really gets my dick hard…

  • Seb Aroney

    Australia produces more CO2 commissions per person, but overall China produces way more its just because china has billions of people.

  • Virgil H. Soule

    What are China and India doing to combat carbon emissions? Global warming is caused by seven billion people wanting to keep themselves warm and fed. China and India have more than half of that. Australia has maybe 1% of the total. Why should Australian be called upon to combat global warming when nobody else is?

  • we can’t avid tax

    The government has to tax something to pay for public services, if they don’t tax carbon they will have to increase taxes somewhere else! And Australia has the highest greenhouse gas emissions per capita so we have a moral responsibility as world citizens to reduce our emissions. Australia is only a small country but it can lead the way for the world!

  • Damon rashid

    Well this site is a bunch of shit, do some real research on the mattes that are actually affecting us. Global warming was proven to be based on lies so now they are calling it climate change and puting a price on how much carbon we produce it is a scam to make us belive how much carbon we emmit actually makes a difference. Want to know more?? like i said educate your self.

  • Aiden Jones

    *deity

  • Big Picture

    there is nothing to believe or not believe with climate chage — yes the climate changes. The bullshit we do not believe is that HUMANS ARE CAUSING THE CLIMATE TO CHANGE — how does this not sound really silly? The earth has gone through changes way before us and it will continue to do so. We are not that significant – stop with the hubris. This is a ploy to take more money from the slaves… please wake up.

  • mike

    You must be fairly embarrassed by this gigantic blowout and massive blunder.
    And it help do what exactly to global temperatures.?
    When are you going to post a mea culpa on the site.??
    I noticed the new spin is, its not really a tax..so a pretend tax that did nothing for the environment..was not bad,..
    Beyond parody..

    “This cost will initially be set at $23, and increase gradually until 2015,”
    http://www.carbontax.net.au/category/what-is-the-carbon-tax/

    THE carbon tax cost $5,310 for every tonne of emissions abated during its two years of operation, new government analysis shows.Sid Maher, The Australian

  • crystal

    this is good that the gov. is pricing carbon tax. did you know that the airports are starting to do the same thing ? and hotels are as well!! finally, justice is being served!!

  • scott

    HOW TO TURN AUSTRALIA / ANY COUNTRY GREEN, START MASS NEW INCOME FOR THE GOVERNMENT, AND CREATE A JOBS BOOM, GET RID OF A 10% PROFIT TAX, SAVE BIG AND SMALL BIG BIG BUCKS. SAVE THE PUBLIC 50% – 80% ON GAS AND POWER BILLS, AND TURN AUSTRALIAN GREEN. HOW TO HAVE A BOOMING ECONOMY / HOUSING SECTOR, THAT HAS A BIG SAY ON THE ECONOMY. HOW TO PERMANENTLY HAVE A HOUSING BOOM / STEADY HOUSING MARKET. HOW 2 BOOST ALL SPERS EACH YEAR. HOW TO SELF FUND ALL GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENTS.

    House sector part down the bottom along with share market and so on.

    A very realistic way to make mass billions pa, start mass jobs, save the public 50 – 80% on 2 bills and go 100% powergrid green within 3.6 years. This is a massive idea, that will only burn 3 main power company’s hard, but boost 4 million other companies big and small.

    They can go green and make billions in the process. Did i also add saving small biz and big biz 10%.. Start mass jobs and boom their economy. The public can save 50% off their power prices 2, if they just pay a 5% GST tax, for 3.6 years.

    There is also a way to control the market and self fund departments for life.

    Any country can do this. They can ether make big biz pay for a cabin tax, that gives the government $5 billion to spend on green tec, or a temporary GST tax.

    GST takes 3.6 years. A carbon tax will take 8 years.

    Don’t let the amount of money trick you. In America they have more pop and more biz. So the amount = the same in GST or carbon tax.

    This is for my country Australia, but it works out the same for any “western”country.

    Already have given them a very realistic way to make mass billion pa, start mass jobs, save the public 50 – 80% on 2 bills and go 100% powergrid green within 3.6 years. This is a massive idea, that will only burn 3 main power company’s hard, but boost 4 million other companies big and small.

    I found a way to make the cabin tax turn us green within 8 years, or a GST 5% rise for 3.6years will turn us green. Also found a way to self fund government departments rising cost for life.

    IN au i can undo the 10% profit tax on small biz. I can save biz 80% on power and crate mass jobs. I can cut the cost to the public and save them 50% – 80% off their power bills and gas bills. I can make mass jobs and turn Australia green within 3.5 years with a 5% GST rise. Or 8 years with a carbon tax charging big biz $5 billion pa again. I can also make that tax to big biz save them more money they want they pay for it.

    First this is my idea from years ago.. Just last month they made new 34% efficient solar panel. These Swiss-made solar arrays combine photovoltaic and thermal solar power, and are 34% more efficient than NASA’s solar cells. AND they’re beautiful! http://bit.ly/1MaoQo9.

    Take 34% of the time it takes us to go green below. It was 5 years with a temporary GST rise and 12 year with a carbon tax. It’s now 3.6 years with a GST rise, and 8 years with a carbon tax. Ignore the time below as you know now.

    Make a new tax called a “green tax”. That tax is the same as the carbon tax, but they buy $5 billion dollars worth of green tec pa.

    New solar panels have been made and are ready 2 be sold. They make 34% more power than old solar panels. Take 34% of the time off of this to turning us green.

    8 year carbon tax. 3.5 years 5% GST rise. THE TIME BELOW IS LONGER BECAUSE I NEVER CHANGED THIS IDEA OF MINE, AFTER THE 34% BETTER SOLAR PANELS GOT MADE.

    First the government will make 50% off of power sold for free. They get it all for free.

    The AU carbon tax was stupid and never forced the companies to go green. The gov made big biz pay a higher cost for fussell fuel. In return the power companies passed on the cost 2 big biz that charge us more and use the big biz $5 billion, to pay for it.

    The $5 billion dollar carbon tax only seen power company investing and spending $80 million pa on green tec…combined.

    What’s the point of making a $5 billion dollar tax on big biz, to see $80 million put up?

    What you do is make a green tax, and the government gets $5 billion dollars worth of solar panels and green tec pa for free.

    If the government gets it all for free, then they can charge 50 – 80% less.

    Big biz could pay that tax, but will still save money from getting cheap power.

    So the government just needs to make the same $5 billion dollars tax again…….call it a green tax. The government buys $5 billion dollars of green tec pa and sells power on the market.

    If the government sells power on the market, then they can control the price of power.

    6 years after putting up a massive $30 billion dollars worth, the government would be making $5 billion pa after selling it for 50% cheaper.

    After 6 years they would be putting up $10 billion dollars worth pa. Australia would be power grid green within 12 years time..

    Tony could even use the small bis $5.5 billion dollar fund to do this. Just sell the power to small biz first. Small biz will save 80% on power. That will save them more money than Abbott’s tax cuts will make them.

    After 12 years time small biz big biz will be lol with 80% less power bills…..Mass new jobs made. The public will be saving 50% than 80% in 14 years time.

    We can go green and make mass job boom the economy and the government collect massive new income.

    There is talk about rising the GST 2 5%. State governments can do this 2.

    With the state government rising there GST by 5%. They could go green 2.

    A 5% GST risae for Adelaide, would seen them bring in $1.5 billion dollars pa. Adelaide government could buy $1.5 billion dollar worth of solar panels pa, and sell the power to the public and small biz for 80%c cheaper…Free tax they get it all for free. The cost will be nothing.

    If small biz save 80% or even 50%, then they employ new people. If the public save 50 – 80% then they have money to spend at shops making more jobs, and giving them a happier life.

    Adelaide has about 1.3 million people. Each year for 7 years Adelaide will have put up $1.4 billion work and $10.5 billion dollars worth in 7 years time.

    Lots of people live in flats, and as some people need $10k power systems, others like the biggest pop pensioners only need $2k worth.

    I say $2k worth because the power lines will have the solar panels hooked up 2 them…Don’t need a $1.5 – $3k solar panle “meter” on your house. That means more solar panels for the price. What you get now for $3k, is including $1.5k for the meter…..Don’t need it.

    It would work out to about $6k per person of solar panels. As the young have flat screen tv and need $10ks worth, others only need $2k worth. It works out fine.

    $6k * 1.3 million people = $7.8 billion dollars. Adelaide would go power grid green within 5 years time.

    ——————————————————————————————————
    Some people will need more then a $10 system, but note this first unlike the guy that replied 2 it.

    “”Don’t understand this, I have quote for $10k ,only supplies half my electricity, AND not much in winter as most of my roof faces south, and people across the road have trees. So I politely said NO.”"

    The higher price is because you need a new solar meter at your house. The solar meters on a $10k system are like $3.5k+. If you need a system over $15k you should stop growing dope lol.

    My sister and her family have a $15k system. They leave the heater on all night and 2 tvs and much more. They get money back every time.

    The biggest pop is old people and them people use next 2 know power. A small % of people will use $14k worth of panels. That’s not a problem because the biggest pop use a very small amount of power. My dads bill is $140…Nothing.

    We must note that over 100,000 houses already have solar panels now. Now add that it only takes 5 years to go green. Add another 2 years at most, and lots of people can have $20k systems…..That’s over kill.

    By the way you say winter time…Less sun. Well the first green tec to go in would have to be wind turbines. Solar panels can’t power the city at night time, but wind turbines can. The state first needs mass wind turbines. When we don’t put in solar panels, we will put them out in the desert. Australia is mostly desert. We could put the solar panels out there, and just run a cable to the state. Even now, Melbourn sell power in Adelaide. They run big cables to sa. We can do the same thing. Out in sa desert there are no clouds, just sun all day long. That mean solar panels will get more power unlike in the city’s.

    In parts of Australia and every state, there is almost wind 24/7. You’re not taking into account that there will be mass wind turbines making power 24/7. Summer and winter time 2. We are not talking about a system on your house. There will be no solar power meter at you house, it will be coming like normal power…From wind farms and solar plants.

    Don’t worry about your system not making much power in winter time people…It will. It’s not going 2 be on your roof, but wind farms and so on.

    We can go green within 5 years. We can even get people 2 buy electric stoves and ovens, scrapping a bill from there budget. Gas is about 2 rise by 30%. Even now gas is more $$$$ then power…almost.

    Australia will be power grid green within 3.6 years if the GST goes up. If we do it with a carbon tax, it will take 8 years.

    To self fund departments growth / rising cost…Do this.

    Say a big department needs a increase of $20 million every year. You would put the money in a interest fund, and live off the interest intrest made. It’s self funded for life, and will never need money again.

    So if it’s a big department you collect the $3 billion from the GST rise and put it in the bank or states GDP system. 6% of $3 billion is $125 million pa. Over 4 years when the cost goes up, there will be $500 million saved up. 6% of $500 million will be $21 million pa. Every 4 years they can add $21 million pa for rising cost. In the 8th year they can add $42 million pa. In the 12 years, they can add $ 63 million every year to rising cost.The interest, interest made pays for the rising cost each year. Every 4 years, it can add an extra $21 million on top of what it was. After 4 years it will get a $21 million dollar rise in money to cover cost. Over the next 4 years it will be ready to double the money / rising cost with $21 million pa increase taking it 2 an extra $42 million pa increase for the next 4 years. The interest pays for the rising cost for life. That’s how i would self fund all government departments rising cost. I would just keep that GST rise by 5% after we all go green, and self fund the grow of all departments over the next 40 years. In 40 years time every department would be self funded for life…No tax hikes. That 5% GST increase has saved us money anyway, and made the gov mass money + self funded government departments rising cost.

    If you do self fund government departments, each year the government will be collecting more tax to pop size, but not having to increase cost / tax. The government will be self funded and tax money and income will be more and more….Growth taken care off. That means life and cost only becomes less and less.

    I would also collect them taxes after it’s all done in 6 years time. I would then for the next 2 years, put $50 billion dollars into a long term deposit fund…GDP.

    5 state GST would = $40 billion in 2 years funding combine in AU. Now add $5 billion * 2 for green tax”. The GST and carbon tax would bring would bring in $2 billion interest pa AU wide. That’s 10,000 – 15,000 houses. If you start a new development, land would be very cheap, so 10,000 – 20,000 houses would be built pa. That’s just extra hosing + they would build massive flats 5 stories up, cramming mass more people into the small land. There wouldn’t be 1 homeless person. Remeber these are gov houses. The public and standed building now, would be the same. 20,000 extra homes pa.

    That^ will go to building houses every year. The interest made pa will build the houses each year. That will give us a healthy bombing building sector, and boost jobs and get’s people off the streets. $2 billion a year in building houses would be a massive boost t the economy and market. The housing market has a massive say of a country’s overall economy. It would also drop the cost of living…Renting prices. A steady strong housing market for life.

    To fix the country we need to put taxes in place, that will start mass jobs and do 10 things in 1. We can also put in place things that will permanently, give the economy permeant healthy results pa for life. 1 tax for 2 years funding, then the housing market is fixed for life with lots of permanent jobs made.

    Things like John howard superfund $1 for $1 match up 2 $1,000 pa, should also be done. 1 year of them taxes will have $1 billion in interest for life. That means after 1 year of funding, we can match $ for $ up to the limit of $1 billion for life. That will boost the market 2.

    There are things you can do that save the public, start jobs and make a constant health strong steady market / economy.

    This is not hypothetical at all. The GST tax is already in place. A 5% rise
    brings in that much money pa from all states. The carbon tax was paid for by big biz. They can pay it again and a tax = the same amount 2. That money does that and gets spent on that, then you permanent fix this country. It’s that easy and we can boom Australia again, and make things cheaper and have a good life.

    If they did this, i would be happy to spend $150 million to have a referendum to add and change things in the constitution. CAN NOT SELL THIS OFF TO ANYONE WITHOUT A REFERENDUM.

    3.6 years to turn your country green, save big and small biz 10% and the public 50% on 2 bills.And created massive jobs.

    2 years funding to permanently have a good housing market for life.

    1 year funding to boot super / the market for life.

    There are other ways to do these things. I can do it all.

    If they did this, i would be happy to spend $150 million to have a referendum to add and change things in the constitution. CAN NOT SELL THIS OFF TO ANYONE WITHOUT A REFERENDUM.